{"id":1074,"date":"2018-09-20T16:25:17","date_gmt":"2018-09-20T14:25:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/?p=1074"},"modified":"2025-03-03T09:29:11","modified_gmt":"2025-03-03T08:29:11","slug":"vietnam-2018-ischnura-mildredae","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/2018\/09\/20\/vietnam-2018-ischnura-mildredae\/","title":{"rendered":"Vietnam 2018 - Ischnura mildredae ?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:15px\">J'ai mis un point d'interrogation apr\u00e8s le nom d'esp\u00e8ce, car l'identification de Ischnura mildredae pose un probl\u00e8me, nous l'avions d'ailleurs appel\u00e9e <em>carpentieri<\/em> sur place. Il existe une controverse autour du groupe <em>rufostigma<\/em> qui serait compos\u00e9 de 4 esp\u00e8ces, dont <em>carpentieri<\/em> pour certains auteurs comme G.S. Vick (1), alors qu'Asahina, 1970 y voit une esp\u00e8ce et des sous-esp\u00e8ces. Ces quatre esp\u00e8ces valides selon Vick sont donc <em>carpentieri<\/em>, <em>rufostigma<\/em>, <em>annandalei<\/em> et <em>mildredae<\/em>, alors que pour Asahina <em>annandalei<\/em> et <em>carpentieri<\/em> sont des synonymes de <em>mildredae<\/em>, qui est lui-m\u00eame une sous-esp\u00e8ce de <em>rufostigma<\/em>...<br>Pourtant, Vick a bien soulign\u00e9 des diff\u00e9rences structurelles au niveau du tubercule qu'ils portent sur le S10, et sur la forme des appendices anaux.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-1.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1712\" height=\"1204\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-1.jpg\" alt=\"Ischnura mildredae m\u00e2le, Vietnam, Pia Oac, 5 juin 2018\" class=\"wp-image-1075 lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1712px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1712\/1204;width:562px;height:395px\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-1.jpg 1712w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-1-768x540.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-1-1200x844.jpg 1200w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1712px) 100vw, 1712px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ischnura mildredae m\u00e2le, Vietnam, Pia Oac, 5 juin 2018<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">La photo du sujet ci-dessous montre des appendices anaux \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s nets, ce qui a permis de tenter un agrandissement.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2213\" height=\"1204\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3.jpg\" alt=\"Ischnura mildredae, Vietnam, Pia Oac, 5 juin 2018\" class=\"wp-image-1078 lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 2213px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 2213\/1204;width:600px;height:326px\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3.jpg 2213w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3-768x418.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3-1200x653.jpg 1200w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 2213px) 100vw, 2213px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ischnura mildredae, Vietnam, Pia Oac, 5 juin 2018<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:15px\">\n\nEt j'ai donc successivement pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 les sch\u00e9mas qui figurent dans le document de Vick cit\u00e9 ci-dessus et l'agrandissement des derniers segments de ce sujet.\n\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"945\" height=\"1200\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/rufostigma.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1080 lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 945px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 945\/1200;width:478px;height:auto\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/rufostigma.jpg 945w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/rufostigma-768x975.jpg 768w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 945px) 100vw, 945px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"358\" height=\"272\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-3-appendices-anaux.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1081 lazyload\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 358px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 358\/272;\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ischnura mildredae, Vietnam, Pia Oac, 5 juin 2018 <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:15px\">Si on compare mon sujet avec le n\u00b0 6 du sch\u00e9ma, soit I. carpentieri, on note une nette diff\u00e9rence tant au niveau du tubercule dorsal qu'au niveau de la forme des appendices anaux inf\u00e9rieurs.<br>Mon sujet est certainement beaucoup plus proche du n\u00b0 7, soit I. mildredae avec son tubercule dans l'axe du segment et les appendices anaux tr\u00e8s aigus et recourb\u00e9s vers le haut.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:15px\">Quoi qu'il en soit, ces sujets font partie du groupe <em>rufostigma<\/em>, appellation facile \u00e0 comprendre quand on remarque les pt\u00e9rostigmas rouge\u00e2tres des ailes ant\u00e9rieures. C'est un animal spectaculaire par sa coloration qui ne passe pas inaper\u00e7u m\u00eame s'il est minuscule, environ&nbsp; 29 mm,&nbsp; 23 mm pour l'abdomen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-2.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2026\" height=\"1204\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-2.jpg\" alt=\"Ischnura carpentieri m\u00e2le\" class=\"wp-image-1076 lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 2026px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 2026\/1204;width:579px;height:344px\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-2.jpg 2026w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-2-768x456.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/ischnura-carpentieri-2-1200x713.jpg 1200w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 2026px) 100vw, 2026px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ischnura mildredae m\u00e2le, Vietnam, Khau Pha, 10 juin 2018<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:15px\">Parmi les Ischnura du groupe rufostigma que j'ai rencontr\u00e9s soit durant ce tour en 2018,&nbsp; soit au Vietnam en 2012, soit au Laos en 2010 j'ai remarqu\u00e9 que pour tous les sujets qui ont l'apex du 6\u00b0 segment noirci, comme le sujet ci-dessus, le 2\u00b0 segment l'est aussi. Les autres n'ont soit pas du tout de noir sur S2, soit une infime partie de sa partie proximale. D'ailleurs le sujet ci-dessus qui est dans ce cas montre des pt\u00e9rostigmas l\u00e9g\u00e8rement diff\u00e9rents, sans jaune \u00e0 l'apex.<br>Cette diff\u00e9rence de coloration des pt\u00e9rostigmas est utilis\u00e9 par Mitra et Babu dans \"<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/dli.zoological.occpapers.315\"><em>Revision of Indian species of the Families Platycnemididae and Coenagrionidae<\/em>\"<\/a>, juillet 2010, pour diff\u00e9rencier rufostigma, anandalei et mildredae, et cela me laisse tout de m\u00eame un peu r\u00eaveur qu'on construise une cl\u00e9 sur des caract\u00e8res de coloration aussi subjectifs (rouge brique pour I. rufostigma rufostigma\/ rouge orang\u00e9 pour I. rufostigma anandalei).<br>Seul peut-\u00eatre le \"crit\u00e8re\" attribu\u00e9 \u00e0 I. rufostigma mildredae serait plus discriminant, puisque les pt\u00e9rostigmas sont donn\u00e9s avec une bordure distale jaune, ce que l'on v\u00e9rifie d'ailleurs sur les deux premi\u00e8res photos de cet article.<br>L'identification du&nbsp;&nbsp;3\u00b0 sujet est donc \u00e0 prendre avec encore plus de pr\u00e9cautions... <br><br>Quant \u00e0 la r\u00e9partition de l'esp\u00e8ce, elle est impossible \u00e0 d\u00e9terminer tant que la taxonomie ne sera pas largement admise...<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:29px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"font-size:13px\">1- G.S. Vick, 1986 -<a href=\"https:\/\/natuurtijdschriften.nl\/pub\/591755\/OJIOS1986015003005.pdf\"> A note on the group of species allied to Ischnura rufostigma Selys (Zygoptera: Coenagrionidae)<\/a> -<br>Odonalologica 15(3): 347-351<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:31px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-vertical is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-2c90304e wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/odonates-du-vietnam-2012-2018\/\">Accueil Vietnam<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"http:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/pagesweb\/divers\/liste-generale-odonates-du-site\/asia-odonates.php\">Liste Asie<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.meslibellules.fr\/blog\/\">Accueil<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>J'ai mis un point d'interrogation apr\u00e8s le nom d'esp\u00e8ce, car l'identification de Ischnura mildredae pose un probl\u00e8me, nous l'avions d'ailleurs appel\u00e9e carpentieri sur place. Il existe une controverse autour du groupe rufostigma qui serait compos\u00e9 de 4 esp\u00e8ces, dont carpentieri pour certains auteurs comme G.S. Vick (1), alors qu'Asahina, 1970 y voit une esp\u00e8ce et [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"image","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"set","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[20,54],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1074","post","type-post","status-publish","format-image","hentry","category-coenagrionidae","category-vietnam","post_format-post-format-image"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - 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